Tessa and Princess discuss the long-awaited School for Good and Evil adaption with the director himself, Paul Feig. They chat about casting, creating female-led content, and his favorite (or not so favorite) fairytales.
Tessa and Princess discuss the long-awaited School for Good and Evil adaption with the director himself, Paul Feig. They chat about casting, creating female-led content, and his favorite (or not so favorite) fairytales.
Netflix Geeked - Ep21 - SFGAE - MIX_V3.mp3
CLIP: [00:00:01] Geeked.
PRINCESS: [00:00:03] What's up my Evers and my nevers. I am Princess Weekes.
TESSA: [00:00:07] My name is Tessa. Netting.
PRINCESS: [00:00:08] And you are listening to the Geek Podcast, your one stop shop for fandom combos, stanning magical girls, a villain, endorsements, and an explainer on all the pop culture that we love, but mostly simping on villians.
TESSA: [00:00:22] Oh, of course. And each week we're going to skim the surface of what's popular in geek culture and deep dive into the lore of a Netflix world bigger than our own.
PRINCESS: [00:00:31] Today we are talking about the adaptation of one of my favorite books series that has now finally come out after so, so many years. The School for Good and Evil. Yes.
TESSA: [00:00:42] Oh, my goodness, princess, I'm so excited to finally talk about this with you, especially since I saw this so, so long ago at geeked week and I haven't been able to talk with anyone, especially you, because I knew you were a fan. So I am so hyped for this.
PRINCESS: [00:00:58] I literally was like, I can't wait to see this To one, watch it. And B finally be like, Tessa, tell me all of your opinions. So now we get to do that. Yay.
TESSA: [00:01:06] Yes.
PRINCESS: [00:01:07] And we have a lovely treat for all of your listeners. We got to sit down with Paul Feig himself, the director and producer. What a treat. So that's something to look forward to as we get into all this never ev-ing drama. But before we get into all of that, Tessa, my darling, what has got you, geeked this week?
TESSA: [00:01:30] Well, this week, let's see. I bought my tickets for knives out, so I'm hype because I do want to see it in theaters after Thanksgiving and then it'll be on Netflix for the holiday season. So then I can enjoy it over and over again in the comforts of my own home, because that personally to me is my favorite thing where I'll see something in a theater, but then I'll rewatch it like at home. To me that is perfect because I don't know. I know if I like something, I will see it so many times in theaters. Oh, yeah, you know what I mean? And it's nice.
PRINCESS: [00:02:15] I saw some- I saw like Black Panther four times because I think birds of prey like four times in theaters. I can see a movie multiple times, but then when you have it at home.
TESSA: [00:02:24] It's evpensive though it adds up.
PRINCESS: [00:02:27] It does. We don't have AMC MoviePass anymore. And like MoviePass, when MoviePass was out, I was seeing movies every day.
TESSA: [00:02:36] That turned out to be a scam. So unfortunately for us.
PRINCESS: [00:02:40] MLMs got me.
TESSA: [00:02:40] I know, but yeah, it's one of those things where I'm. I'm hype for that because I'm excited for both different experiences.
PRINCESS: [00:02:48] Mm hmm.
TESSA: [00:02:49] And then also to see it with my family, like, at home, because they will just, like, refuse to watch something like that in the theater. But if it's like at home and it's around Christmas, they're like, Oh, what should we watch? And I'm like, Here we go. This is what we're watching. And I will force it upon them and they're going to be obsessed with it like always.
PRINCESS: [00:03:04] I love that.
TESSA: [00:03:05] So there's that. And then the other thing that I'm geeked about this week is I found out that Fred Armisen is playing Uncle Fester in Wednesday. So that to me is great because I think he is hilarious. So I'm Down.
PRINCESS: [00:03:24] That is great casting. I love just like that. They pick somebody who I don't think anyone expected.
TESSA: [00:03:31] Right. Not at all.
PRINCESS: [00:03:33] Yeah. And he's also Latino like I think his- his mother is from Venezuela, so it like fits in perfectly with the whole strange machinations of the of the Addams Family. And I'm leaning more Latino this time, so. Yeah, I think that's a good casting for them.
TESSA: [00:03:49] Mm hmm. So that's that's those two things have got me excited. Knives out and Wednesday. What about you, Princess?
PRINCESS: [00:03:57] Well, I am, you know, after this post Comic-Con wash I'm just sort of like enjoying sort of relaxing at home. I just got a game code for the video game, Gotham Knights, so I'm excited to play as my good son and best boy Robin while not the best boy, but Jason Jason Todd, which I who I absolutely love. And as of this recording, the trailer for season two of The Warrior Nun just came out. And I feel like people have been waiting for the second season for Warrior Nun for like 10,000 years, I believe it films.
TESSA: [00:04:31] It's been 84 years.
PRINCESS: [00:04:32] It's been 84 years. Yes. And it's like it filmed in Spain and all of South America. So I'm really glad that they are coming back, that we're going to be having some, you know, occult detective superhero weirdness. I want to see everything good happen for Sister Slash Shotgun Mary and just, you know, there's I love queer nuns. I love nuns. And I like looking at Spain from the comfort of my own home. So I'm looking forward to traveling to Espana from home.
TESSA: [00:05:06] I went to Spain once for a friend's wedding and it was pretty incredible. But the thing that was wild to me that I could not like just grasp is that it is so light out like at night and it's so weird. Like also things don't open until later, so, like, they don't have dinner until like 10:00 or something. And so you wake up like early, then there's nothing open, like no restaurants, no food like nothing is because they're all, like, sleeping, because they stay up all night, because the sun is so different and it's wild. And I was like Wow.
PRINCESS: [00:05:42] You sold me on Madrid. I'm going.
TESSA: [00:05:44] It was so fun. Honestly, I had the most fun time. It was incredible. I also went during, I think, pride for them, so it was even better.
PRINCESS: [00:05:53] Oh, God, gay lights everywhere. That sounds amazing.
TESSA: [00:05:57] It really was.
PRINCESS: [00:05:58] I'll just bring my sister. She speaks Spanish and like, you translate and I'll drink. And I just.
TESSA: [00:06:04] I had Brizzy with me and she speaks Spanish, so that's why I was like, okay, you're we're good. You can make sure that we are not getting, you know, exactly sent to a wrong place, like getting into a cab and, you know, where we're going and what they're saying. Like, because I would have no idea. It's my biggest flaw. I cannot speak any other language.
PRINCESS: [00:06:24] I can I can I can read French really well. I can speak it. Okay. But my biggest burden is that I speak every language with a New York nasal accent. So, like. It's the worst. There's nothing worse than, say, another language with no change of inflection with how you normaally sound sound.
TESSA: [00:06:42] Oh, my gosh, it's. So. Funny.
PRINCESS: [00:06:44] Like, all these girls are like, like, I feel I can, like, ce'va bien, you know, like, it's whatever. Like.
TESSA: [00:06:54] Yes, I know that very well. I know that very well.
PRINCESS: [00:06:57] It's so and it's so embarrassing. But you know what? I'm geeked for it. I'm geeked for you. I'm geeked for us. And that's what's got us geeked this week.
TESSA: [00:07:08] All right, my loves, before we decide which one of us is an ever and which one is a never, we are going to chat with director and producer of the film Paul Feig.
PRINCESS: [00:07:18] And if you don't know what the School for Good and Evil is, here is my rapid fire synopsis. Best friends Sophie and Agatha find themselves on opposing sides of an epic battle, but they are swept away into an enchanted school where aspiring heroes and villains are trained to protect the balance between good and evil. Or are they?
TESSA: [00:07:38] Dun Dun Duh. And now that you're caught up, here's Mr. Feige.
PRINCESS: [00:07:45] Although first of all, huge fan spy was brilliant. Everything you do is so fascinating and beautiful and interesting. So thank you for your time.
PAUL FEIG: [00:07:54] Oh, thank you.
PRINCESS: [00:07:56] And so the first thing we want to ask is what made you want to adapt this film school for good and evil? What made you want to make it?
PAUL FEIG: [00:08:02] I loved the the story. You know, I'm always looking for for great stories about three dimensional, you know, female characters. And I love friendship stories, female friendship stories. And this just kind of had it all because the whole idea of this friendship that's so strong but then goes through the fire, kind of as one person gets, you know, pulled into a world that the other person is trying to save them from and but who never gives up on that person? I just I loved it. Absolutely loved it. And then, you know, I've been dying to be able to create a world from scratch and knowing that this is a world that literally doesn't exist other than in book form, visually or whatsoever. And so that was real catnip to me too. So those two combined to was just like, I have to do this movie.
TESSA: [00:08:48] And do you know, were you looking for something specific in casting Sophie and Agatha? Because the Sophia's were so perfect and their chemistry was amazing. So is it like when you saw them together? You knew immediately?
PAUL FEIG: [00:09:02] Yeah. Well, it was weird because, you know, I saw Sophie Anne Caruso on Broadway in Beetlejuice, but this was before I even knew that this project existed. And I just kind of was said, I have to work with her, you know, I don't know on what, but I just have to work. And so I kind of kept her on my list. So when I read this, my first instinct was like, Oh, she'd be Agatha, she'd be perfect Agatha because that she's got that look, you know, that not be like me in it. But then, yeah, you know, when I, once I talk to her and stuff like, like, oh no, she's Sophie. She's just too feels like a friendly loose cannon because you kind of don't know what she's going to do. And so it's just like, okay, she's Sophie. But then, you know, then we just started auditioning a lot of people for the Agatha role because I wasn't sure who. And actually I had decided on an another actor who I thought was really, really good. And so we did a chemistry read, but we were setting that up. But then, but then Sophia Wiley's tape came through and I was like, Wow, she's really good. But then I was like, I don't know. I think I need to see more out of everybody. I'm going to make everybody do the the big scene at the end where, you know, the big death scene in the end and even my casting directors are like, she goes, that's not fair. Like it's really bad to make people do something that heavy, you know, acting against nobody. And I was- or every actor will be horrified by the story. I was out on a walk with my phone and the her audition came in. I was so excited to watch it that I just I just watched it on my phone as I was walking, which is terrible. You should never do that. But it was so good. I was literally, like, crying on my walk, watching my phone. The neighbors thought I was lost my mind, you know, just like, oh, my gosh. So then I brought her and the other person who I was thinking of doing and we had to do because of COVID, we had to do the chemistry read on Zoom, which is crazy, don't you? Normally they're sitting with each other and you see them face to face and you see how their chemistry is. But the Sophia's had the craziest amount of chemistry over Zoom, and I was like, If they can nail this over Zoom, then we are on fire. And so the rest is history.
PRINCESS: [00:11:02] To mix in some fun. If you had a fairy tale parent, if you went to the school for good and evil, hero or villain, who would you want to be your fairy tale parent?
PAUL FEIG: [00:11:12] Oh, man, that's a good one. Oh, gosh. I mean, from our movie or just from anything?
TESSA: [00:11:18] It could be from any fairy tale, any like a personal one that you connect with. You know, that would be your.
PAUL FEIG: [00:11:24] Yeah, I know. It's Oh, gosh, you've you've you've almost stumped me with this. I'm trying to think here's why I'm having trouble with this is I growing up, didn't like fairy tales because they were terrifying or they were all terrifying.
PRINCESS: [00:11:39] They are terrifying.
PAUL FEIG: [00:11:40] Everything always went wrong and somebody got killed. You know, they were just morality tales. And I was like, Yeah, I'm afraid of all of them. So I'm trying to think. I mean, obviously, I think Cinderella's fairy godmother was, you know, she'd be cool because she could give you all kinds of good stuff. And and she seemed really nice and patient and all that. So yeah, yeah.
PRINCESS: [00:11:58] That's a good one. And then you'll also have your own magic fairy powers, no matter what.
PAUL FEIG: [00:12:04] See, Exactly, because I've got something I can do and that's all I ask.
TESSA: [00:12:07] Yeah. Oh, definitely. You got it made. So was there one particular sequence in the book that you were really, really excited about bringing to life? Or one that was a little challenging.
PAUL FEIG: [00:12:17] And there's so many sequences that were I was excited about the wish fish scene was definitely one that I was very excited and that's kind of everybody always talks about that scene both in the book and in the script. They would always like kind of single that out. So I was really excited about that, you know, and to just to have that kind of emotion. But it was, that was a really hard, challenging one to get the special effects right for because the idea that this one young woman is the wish fish. You know, it was always kind of she was getting you know, you're trying to do it. It was always she was getting pulled out of a bunch of fish is like, no, she is the fish. So we have to figure out how to make it look like these. All these fish are weaving back into a person. But we really nailed it. But I mean, it was the poor special effects team. God bless them. They really you know, they went through a lot on that one. So I love that. But also a Hester's tattoo.
TESSA: [00:13:05] Yeah.
PRINCESS: [00:13:06] So good. I love that.
PAUL FEIG: [00:13:07] Yeah. But that was challenging, too, because I would just, you know, we, you know, we were trying to I try to do everything very real and, you know, and I never want actors kind of acting against tennis balls and all that kind of thing. And I don't do much green screen like all our sets are real, you know. And then we do a little bit of an extension where we call holes or lights or whatever. But, you know, so we have we there's great puppeteer on on set called Mikey who he was always in like the blue suit, the green suit or whatever. But we made this big kind of Hester's demon green puppet that he would fly around the set and kind of torment Sophie with. And so we could all know where it was. So that was really fun. But then we had like flame bars that we would do for certain things because I wanted the feel of the flames obviously very safely, you know, and then move, then swinging these lights around with the with the puppet because you want that light interaction on the people, you don't if it's just pure special effects and like nothing was in the room, you don't feel it on people. It feels fake. So, so that was fun, but that was really challenging. And, and we got when we blew out the window when the wasps come in, that's that's actually Sophia Anne Caruso standing there with this giant air cannon just blast that window up there behind her. She was, you know, safe and covered. But still, I was like, okay, you're going to you're going to feel this, my friend.
TESSA: [00:14:25] Yeah.
PRINCESS: [00:14:26] I feel like as a Broadway actress, she must have loved that because Beetlejuice is all puppet interaction. So for her she was like, I do this all the time.
PAUL FEIG: [00:14:32] You know, she's like, I get flown on wires every night. So no, the funniest thing was when we were shooting all that stuff in the forest for the Trail of Tales, especially in the Flowers, she just became so enamored with stunts that her whole thing was like, I think I wanna be a stunt woman. I was like, Well, be like Tom Cruise, keep acting, but do your stunts. Do it all, do it all. Don't deprive us of your wonderful acting skills.
PRINCESS: [00:14:54] Well, you are a very stylish man, and you're all your films have like really beautiful costuming and designs and also is in this film. So were there any costume moments that you really enjoyed because there were so many amazing gowns. Just beautiful gowns.
PAUL FEIG: [00:15:10] Yeah. I mean, I loved all of it. That's my favorite thing. And, you know, Rene Khalfus, my amazing costume designer who did simple favor with me and last Christmas, you know, we love it. And so I just said, you're going to have the hardest job you've ever had and the most fun job. And, you know, we just started sending these boards back and forth of all these reference pictures from fashion magazines and books and old photos and new photos, because I just wanted to make sure that there was no unifying feel to the costumes, because this is a school where all the different cultures from all over the world, every fairy tale comes in. You know, in the book they have uniforms. And I was like, That's too Harry Potter ish for me. I want all these people to come in. Yeah, you know, because I didn't have uniforms in school. And so you you kind of judged everybody's personality by how they dressed, you know, or that was your at least you're interested in them. And so, yeah, so we really went for it. It was really fun to, you know, kind of design agatha's gavaldon in look, which was based on the idea that basically she kind of gets all her clothes from dead people. You know, whoever gets buried in the cemetery, you know, they get the leftover clothes. So so that was fun. And then with with with Sophie, who the seamstress who wants to be a princess, that, you know, we Renee and I just had so much fun, kind of like, how would she cobble together a gown out of all the just scraps that she finds around the town? So that that gown is actually quite elaborate when you get in close with it of how it's made up out of a million different pieces of stuff. So that was fun. And then when we got to the school, it was really just, how do we put Agatha in the most anti Agatha clothes that we can, you know? Then they designed that giant first dress with this giant bell bell hoop.
PRINCESS: [00:16:50] I wish I could wear it. Every day
TESSA: [00:16:54] Every little girl. I just go, Oh, my Goodness. My dream
PAUL FEIG: [00:16:55] There's so much fun.
PRINCESS: [00:16:57] Big girls, too. I was like, I want to.
PAUL FEIG: [00:17:00] Well, we have a gag, though, when she sits down the first time the hoop pops up and that really happened. The first time she sat down when trying it on, I was like, Okay, that's got to go in the movie. It's too sweet. And then I think, you know, designing Charlize's clothes was really fun. Yeah, because, you know, I'm a suit and tie, as you know. And, you know, in the book, it's more she's almost more kind of like Morticia Addams, sort of, you know, the black dress. Yeah, but like, yeah, neither Charlize or I were kind of interested in going that route because, you know, Charlize was important to her that, like, less just has a uniform. She doesn't she's she's given up, you know, like, evil never wins. So it's like, screw it. I'm just going to wear the same, you know, three outfits all the time. And so, you know, so. Then we went to the hyper tailoring because she really likes, you know, how I dress and I'm very into men's tailoring. You know, we did it with Blake Lively in simple favors, so we just kind of took it to the nth degree. Yeah, and just so much fun, you know? Then finally with Sophie's looks, once she starts to do her transformation, you know, we wanted it to be that she's cobbling stuff from the school for evil. So all those outfits are basically made out of, you know, fabrics that we have for curtains and tablecloths and burlap sacks and all that kind of thing. So, you know, and sheets and all that. So yeah. So we wanted to feel organic that way.
TESSA: [00:18:15] Incredible. Honestly, the costumes are one of my favorite parts of the whole movie. Is there a character in this film that you really personally connected with or one that you wanted to make sure that they were portrayed a certain way?
PAUL FEIG: [00:18:30] Well, I mean, I think everybody who loves the series loves Agatha because, you know, she is the audience. She is the one coming into the situation going like, this is crazy. You know, everything you guys are teaching and believe is nuts and it's wrong, you know? So I really wanted to make sure that we preserved her, you know, kind of rebellious nature, but also that she's real, that she does get affected by this stuff and she does get pulled into it. You know, it's way better than the life she has back in gavaldon in which everybody is trying to burner, you know, so. So that whole thing. So. Yeah. So I really love Agatha and want to guard her, but also Sophie, you know, in the book, Sophie's a real challenging character. She's really pushes everyone.
PRINCESS: [00:19:14] She's a favorite character. She's so good intense.
PAUL FEIG: [00:19:17] Yeah. Yeah. A lot of opinions use shifts on a dime. And, you know, I just wanted to make sure that, you know, sometimes things in books read really fun, and then on the screen, it's like you're like, Oh, it's too much. So it was really fun finding with with Sophia Anne Caruso those levels in where we could push, where we could pull back, where because she could be sort of petulant, where she could be, you know, giving into her evil side, but then always seeing like she's still in the, you know, the good person is still inside her, even though, you know, she's still the person who will whack somebody over the head with a with a frying pan if they get in Agatha's face. So, yeah, so I really want to guard the two of them.
PRINCESS: [00:19:56] One of the things I wonder is like we talked about the special effects, Sophie's transformation, you know, just going from like, you know, every little bit of it. And I know that I was at how much what did the Sophie's get to also incorporate their own personality and style into the character design because it just like I feel like you are someone who does communicate with your actors and that there's I wonder how much of it was then bringing stuff and what was it like to get to transform Sophie Sophie in from like I want to be a princess. Long hair too. Like looking like the the biggest.
PAUL FEIG: [00:20:32] It was fun. Yeah. Like you said, I really empower my lead actors to find their looks. You know, like Charlize completely invented that look for herself with the red wig and everything. She. There's this one model. I can't remember the model name. It has hair like that. She was like, I never played a redhead. I do this, you know? And then she did her own makeup for the movie. She would actually do her own makeup in the morning, so and so I do that with everybody. And it was really fun as we were kind of designing the costumes to have to have the our two, you know, leading ladies weigh in. And they were just kind of finding their comfort level in stuff and going like, I'd like this to be, you know, more elaborate or I think this should be tighter, this should be more, you know, I don't know, punkier or, you know, to get that feel of the moments that they were in in the movie. So, you know, they really embraced it and were very collaborative with us on it. And then, you know, for for Sofia Anne to, you know, have to begin to turn into an old old witch, you know, that was working with our you know, we have a had a great kind of special effects makeup guy. And this guy named Christian designed like four different phases of how she would turn, you know, what she had to become, you know, like a fairy tale witch. So so, you know, the features are over the top. I mean, the nose is ridiculous by the end. It's, you know, there's like a beak or something, but it looks like every old, you know, drawing etching of like a witch you would see and Sofia Anne just she really embraced it, you know. And the big thing was we were always talking about like, does your voice change? Is it get more? And she decided and I love it. She goes, I actually think it's creepier if I just keep my regular voice.
PRINCESS: [00:22:09] It was.
PAUL FEIG: [00:22:09] Right. It's an old woman. And I was like, Oh man, I love that, you know? So that was kind of just like, that was brilliant, cause I never would have thought of that. I would have had her going into some kind of, you know, corny voice. So God bless her for coming up with that.
TESSA: [00:22:22] Because we are the Geeked podcast. What is something that you personally geek out about? It could be like a movie, book show, any sort of thing that brings you so much like personal inner fanboy joy.
PAUL FEIG: [00:22:36] Well I geek out about clothes and style. And that's I mean, I really do geek out about Fashion. But I'm not a not so much a fashion fan as a style fan, you know, because I think fashion and trying to surprise trying to, like, blow the walls of the place, you know, like, you know, you see a lot of like, you know, I like watching fashion shows. And I've been to things like, you know, the Thom Browne Show in Paris and you're just like, what are they wearing? This is crazy. There's an there's an old man thing, but there's an old episode of The Three Stooges where they're hiding out as carpenters. But they're carpenters and they go to this, they're hiding out in like a fashion place. And so they make clothes and there's this fashion show, but they're all the dresses and everything look like furniture. It's crazy. But I was so I watched some of the I watch these fashion shows. I go like it looks like the Three Stooges designed some of this stuff. You know, some of it's just way over the top. But but I get so excited when I see cool stuff, you know? But I love I love a real classic traditional men's styling. And then for women, I think the sky's the limit for women, you know, because you just have you have more options. You can you can do. At least that makes sense to me.
PRINCESS: [00:23:46] Well, in the school for good and evil, if you were enrolled, do you think that you would be a never orin ever?
PAUL FEIG: [00:23:52] Well, you know, I'd love to be a never, but I would definitely be in ever because I'm too much of a goody two shoes. So.
TESSA: [00:23:59] I feel you same.
PRINCESS: [00:24:00] Yeah, I mean, I'm good. Yeah, we all said that we were like, we want to be evil so bad, but we just have so much.
PAUL FEIG: [00:24:06] Exactly. Exactly. Can we just be, you know, like a cool. Let's be cool ever is, you know, like.
PRINCESS: [00:24:14] Yeah.
TESSA: [00:24:15] Oh, my gosh. Well, thank you so much, Paul, for sitting down and talking to us. This was such a treat. And we are both we love the movie. We both have watched it. We both are obsessed,.
PRINCESS: [00:24:25] Loved it.
TESSA: [00:24:25] We can't wait for everybody else to see it and fall in love. So congrats.
PRINCESS: [00:24:30] Absolutely.
PAUL FEIG: [00:24:31] Oh, that makes me so happy. Thank you. And I'm a big fan of both of you. I think you're both so great. And keep doing your keep doing what you do. It's really fun to watch what you do. So thank you.
TESSA: [00:24:45] All right. Now it is time to talk about the school for good and evil. And I want to start with you telling us about like how you found this book series, because I've never read the books before. I just went into this like without any backstory. But you have this whole like you've loved this series. I want to know where that came from and then like get into this movie because I need to know all of your thoughts.
PRINCESS: [00:25:10] So I got into this book series pretty much like a couple of years out of college. I used to work at a Barnes Noble's in Brooklyn, and one of my really good coworkers there, Page Turner, shout out to you if you're listening. We just like to read books together. And so we started picking up this series because it was pretty, it was hardcover, we were both into it. And I just remember laying in bed and just starting it and just being like, okay, okay. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Like it just kept, like, ramping up. And I just really loved the story. The characters. I love Sophie. She's my absolute one of my favorite villains of all time.
CLIP: [00:25:48] I can't settle for an ordinary life.
PRINCESS: [00:25:49] And I just. I got sucked in. So sucked in that I actually I think I forgot that it is a young adult middle grade book series. Like, it's so interesting when you read middle grade as an adult, what you latch on to, because I feel like the thing about when I saw the movie, I saw the movie and I was like, okay. And I instantly back and started reading the book again. I'm like, Oh, I think I forgot a lot of the setup. And I just focused really on like the, like super gay drama between Sophie and Agatha and just, yeah, I was like, Sophie's villain Journey was just always so epic to me that like, I was so excited about that. And I feel like with the movie, all the creators have said that like it's not a direct adaptation and it's very different in terms of different ways, but it hits all the same plot points. And I would say that is very true. It like it hits all of the narrative benchmarks of the story. The tone is a little bit different. It definitely feels a little bit more enchanted ish. Like it definitely feels like it's fitting in.
TESSA: [00:27:00] Descendants vibes?
PRINCESS: [00:27:01] Yeah. I feel like it's filling into that, you know, Monster High, descendants. Like how do we play with the fairy tale thing a bit more? There were some music cues that happened. I was just kind of like, Okay, so this is how we're doing this. All right, I see you right. I got a little Billie Eilish saw a little this.
TESSA: [00:27:16] I loved that.
PRINCESS: [00:27:17] It was not that I didn't like it. It didn't happen before. So when all of a sudden it's like, you should see me in a crown, I was like, All right. I like I was like, Oh, this is baller, but I wish you had done this earlier so I could have expected it, but I did get into it. Everything with Sophie to me was like, mwah. And I love the actress who plays Agatha. I think that they kind of rushed through her stuff, but I get that they were trying to just kind of like, you know, it's a middle grade book series. They want to hit all the benchmarks. If you want to read the books, you can. But I did love that. And I also loved how much fun the adult actors are, specifically Charlize Theron. Charlize was enjoying herself so much like she and Kerry Washington were hamming it up.
CLIP: [00:28:00] We've been expecting you.
PRINCESS: [00:28:02] It was fantastic.
TESSA: [00:28:02] They were amazing.
PRINCESS: [00:28:04] Charlize was like, Yes, I'm going to be the evil queen again. But this time I'm the evil school feminine energy. It was just it was so good. But yeah, I really was into it. I enjoyed it. It just took me a second to remind myself, I am not the audience for this. And I was so like 2013, that was like almost ten years ago. So it's like I hit the river like, oh, I was like 20 when these books came out. I probably read them when I was like 22 or something. And so like I have grown a lot and these characters have grown a lot to me because the book series just ended in 2020. So is going back to the beginning. It's kind of like when you read Sorcerer or Philosopher's Stone and you're like.
TESSA: [00:28:47] I understand because I have the same thing with Percy Jackson, the Percy Jackson seeries. So I know exactly what you're talking about. It's like you forget that these are like actual kids books.
PRINCESS: [00:28:58] You're like, these are children who are being so extra. But I would say like.
TESSA: [00:29:03] Bu they're so good though, so good guys, they're so good. Like, it was one of those things that the to me, the concept, this story was so brilliant, like, are you kidding me? Like a school like this is where all the great fairy tales begin. Like the origin of all the heroes and villains and all the greatest stories like this is where they're trained. And I'm like, Oh, my God, this Is.
PRINCESS: [00:29:27] I love that.
CLIP: [00:29:28] The school for Good and evil where the true story behind every great fairy tale begins. The school for good trains the heroes. The School for Evil. The villains.
PRINCESS: [00:29:41] And I think, like Sophie's Sophie's Bait and switch when she just is like, well, if good defends and evil attack, then I guess what where the I was kind of like I remember when I read the book and I was like buh buh buh buh buh like I was just so worried. I was watching it on the show. I had the exact same like, look, yeah, we did it. We what it was, it was that same kind of like thriller. So I just think any kid who like was a fan of these books when they were like middle grade or like a young teen watching it now, we'll still get like a very big kick out of it. Just remember, like, you know, you experience the books differently than how it will be for the generation coming after you. So I make sure to always keep that in mind.
TESSA: [00:30:25] Oh, yeah. I mean, this movie, I, I loved it. I really did. I absolutely loved it. But like, one of those things when I was watching it, I just kept thinking, like, little baby Tessa would be obsessed.
PRINCESS: [00:30:40] Same.
TESSA: [00:30:41] Obsessed with this movie. Like, are you kidding me? Like, if me and my sister watched this when we were, like, 12, or a lot like, this would be our entire personality. Like the entire summer we would be playing like, let's play school for good and evil, and we'd pick, like, the characters and be like, it's perfect. Like, it's so good.
PRINCESS: [00:31:02] And it doesn't help that, like, when Sophie goes through her evil transformation and gets her hair cut off, she looks exactly like you.
TESSA: [00:31:10] It's so funny because when I got to interview Sophia Wylie and Sophia Anne Caruso, like both me and Sophia and looked at each other, like we are the same. Yeah, like, like very similar. Like, so that was very that was something we noticed that was very funny, which God bless, you know, if she's an alternate version of me, she's killing it. I am supporting her through and Through. I figured I loved that character. I don't know what it is about magical schools, man.
PRINCESS: [00:31:39] It's so fun.
TESSA: [00:31:39] It is. It's so fun. It's like, I think like a part of me always loved school a little bit, but then that, like, when it got a little boring is when I'm like, Ah, but this never gets boring. It's like the fun part of school, and then you add magic to it. So it just makes like to me, like to a nerd, I'm like, Oh, this is everything. But one of the things I really loved about this story and this movie is that like, it's an epic fantasy, but it's centered around these like two badass, like, female characters, and it really like, showcases the power of female friendship. Because a lot of times with all this fantasy stuff, it's always, like, centered around a boy, orphan boy, I don't know. But instead is like, Oh, here's two women. And also it's how female friendships can sometimes be complicated and can sometimes be so personal, even more personal than romantic relationships. Oh, and and also this was what's that movie that was just on Netflix Do Revenge or what? Oh, yeah, yeah. There's another movie that's sort of been exploring that recently, so I've just been like thinking about that recently just because of that movie and now this. But it's, it's one of those things and we've even talked about this where it's like with female friendships, it's hard to find like friendships that are genuine and solid and real, especially like in our industry. But like so many times in, in life and in stories like women are pitted against each other there. It's like competitive, there's jealousy, there's like boys involved. So then that always sort of and to me it is interesting how this story like even though they were faced that it like it saw it through you like kept seeing like okay how are they dealing with this if to save their friendship, what is what did they have to do? Like do and it just made my heart so happy because I found especially like as I've gotten older, like how important, like my female friendships are like in my life, like surrounding myself with powerful, amazing women has only made my life better.
PRINCESS: [00:33:53] Absolutely.
TESSA: [00:33:55] You know, so I'm just like, oh, there's so much like empathy. Compassion. They inspire me. Like women are magic. So to see that in here, like so many girls are going to latch on to that. And I think it's a really important thing to talk about and show.
PRINCESS: [00:34:09] Absolutely. And I think about how like this book and Frozen, the first one came out pretty much back to back just came out, I think in May of that year. Then the movie came out in November. So it's like you had two back to back stories where like the true love was between like, you know, two sisters, between two best friends. And like, I think that's so important as well as that we were really seeing this paradigm shift of like we can no longer, you know, validate this idea that two women have to be in competition with each other. And they can't push back against that and that like also I think when it comes to like Sophie is like that you can't that it's okay like that it's okay to be a narcissist but like, you know, sometimes girls are narc-. Like sometimes you want to be a little bad girl, you know, sometimes you want to be a little bad. Film doesn't mean that you don't like ultimately love your friends or whatever. But like, I like giving female characters the opportunity to be bad and then say, like, you can evolve, you know, you can you can grow out of these habits. Because I think Sophie loves Agatha. She just also just like but I'm the protagonist.
TESSA: [00:35:13] Oh, my God. Like in this movie, Kerry Washington, like said, we are in the age of self-centered perfectionism or something. And I'm like, Oh, this is a personal attack.
PRINCESS: [00:35:22] You're like, Wow.
TESSA: [00:35:25] I was like, Okay, you didn't have to just say it out like that. Okay, we all know this, but you don't have to just say it like that.
PRINCESS: [00:35:31] But I'm sorry, gorgeous. Kerry Washington, that was so self-centered. I mean, but you know, it's one of the things I think is like it's it's always nice to be Like true beauty is from within, but then it's like, but we know what you see. But then it's like, well, it's within babes, you know, it's like it's a choose it is with and that people look at this bodacious babe lives a good person and it's just like, wow, love that.
TESSA: [00:35:55] True beauty only lies within hot people.
PRINCESS: [00:35:58] Yeah, true beauty lies within true beauty. And I totally forgot that Sophia was the original Lydia on Beetlejuice because yeah, I saw her in Beetlejuice. So I was like, he's. She's so good. Yeah.
TESSA: [00:36:14] Oh, my God. She's so good.
PRINCESS: [00:36:15] Which explains how hammy and like how organic she felt in that. Because I felt like she was definitely just like, oh, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm acting for everyone. The back seats, everybody. It was so fun to watch.
TESSA: [00:36:27] Oh, God.
PRINCESS: [00:36:27] With her, like. Like Dobby makeup. I was like, oh, I saw her point. She was looking like creature. I was like.
TESSA: [00:36:35] Oh, it was amazing. She just killed it. Like, honestly, this this movie really did showcase, like, her talent. Like, she just was like, okay, I'm running this, and I'm going to go for it. And Sophia, who played Agatha, was also incredible. But it's one of those things like to me and I think also to you, like the protagonst is never as interesting.
PRINCESS: [00:36:58] The good one is always, yeah,.
TESSA: [00:37:00] I know. And it's like, I hate to say that because she's so good in the role like she is, she feels pure her heart like it's she is the heart of the story and their friendship is like what's driving the whole thing. And she needs to play that in order for Sophie's character to be so effective. It's like, Yeah, she does the perfect job. But sometimes when you're the main character and you do a perfect job, it's like you're part isn't as fun because the villain is always more fun.
PRINCESS: [00:37:28] That's kind of like my one note too, is because like in the book, Agatha is a little bit more weird. Like, she isn't evil, but she does definitely play up the whole, like. Yeah, people think I'm a witch. What about it? Like, so I definitely feel like she's made into a little bit more like tragic than I think that she is in the books. Like she used still like people suck to her, but she's a lot more assertive and like, self-assured in herself than I think she can be in this movie.
TESSA: [00:37:57] You can't go into all those details. Yeah, just especially when it's like such an epic fantasy and it's more like a younger audience. Like you need to kind of needs, needs to make sense.
PRINCESS: [00:38:10] I think if this and Fate Winxs Club weren't both supernatural schools things, we would have had like a show with this. I just think that like they already have, like they really have enough like supernatural fictional schools as TV shows
TESSA: [00:38:24] Movie though. Another Movie.
PRINCESS: [00:38:27] I definitely think that like there's enough behind it that can get a second movie, especially because I think that the actors are talented and they had a good time. And I'm never going to say no to seeing really amazing. like Michelle Yeoh is in this movie had no idea about that.
TESSA: [00:38:40] Pattty Lupone is In this movie where they have.
PRINCESS: [00:38:42] That. First of all, how did you get these people? Second of all, like how does Michelle Yeoh have the time to be perfect? I know every single role flawless. Does she have to sleep like the rest of us? I don't know. Maybe she doesn't. But Paul Feig, he got everybody in here, and I'm just like, All right.
TESSA: [00:39:00] He did it. He really did. And going back to, like, the Sofia's, they were so perfectly cast.
PRINCESS: [00:39:07] Oh right they're both Sophie, yeah.
TESSA: [00:39:09] Sophia and Sophia and Caruso, like, they were so perfectly cast to me because their chemistry was so good. And if their chemistry wouldn't have been good, it would only ruin the whole movie. Yeah, it was the most important thing to get right into the movie was their chemistry, and because they had that, it like, Oh my God, you felt it. It felt real the whole moment. Like when they you need that when the friends come to save the friends and they love each other and you're like, like you need to feel that it needs to feel real or else it's not going to work. Kids can see through it. They got to see it. They got to feel it. All emotions and they killed it. So they were perfect.
PRINCESS: [00:39:51] And also, like, I know this might sound really silly. I just love Sofie Wiley's round face. Like I feel like I love, like.
TESSA: [00:39:59] She's insanely gorgeous.
PRINCESS: [00:39:59] Yes. She's this beautiful little girl, you know, young woman. And it's just like when I looked at her, I was just like I kept thinking, what a lovely young lady. Like, I felt so like I like I felt like such an adult. I was like these lovely ladies, and it's like she just looked so pretty. And I just love that she kind of, like, had, like, a filler, a fuller face of, like, slightly fuller figure, like, not obviously full figured, but just, you know, fuller. An she looked so beautiful. They styled her so well that pink dress.
TESSA: [00:40:28] Oh my God. Gagging.
PRINCESS: [00:40:29] I was like, well, I guess the the wardrobe choices were absolutely. A-plus.
TESSA: [00:40:34] Unreal.
PRINCESS: [00:40:35] Someone's thinking about Tumblr and these designs, and I think that's a good person. But yeah, I loved it so much.
TESSA: [00:40:41] When I got to interview them. One of the things they mentioned about the costumes was the process was kind of collaborative, which I thought was really interesting and they to do because they're like, this never happens where the costume designer like reached out to both of them and was like, Here's a Pinterest board. If you have any ideas or things that you would like or tell me, like, you know, sort of which way or which direction you think the character would go or we could like work together. And I'm like, Oh my God, what an absolute dream that is. How cool. Because not only do you like get to wear these incredible, like pieces of clothing, but you get to like put a little bit of either yourself or how you would have the character or like the choices your character would make. Like that never happens. So that is like, just so cool. And the costumes were unreal.
PRINCESS: [00:41:28] They all look, they just like she looked like a perfect princess, and she looked like the bad bittch that would have awakened my bisexuality if I was like 12 years old. So it was just it was just perfect all around.
TESSA: [00:41:41] Did you have, like a favorite moment that you that stood out to you when you were watching?
PRINCESS: [00:41:46] I just I love the battle, like the ballroom blitz at the end. Like I like I just like this is exactly.
TESSA: [00:41:52] To Toxic? Are you kidding me?
PRINCESS: [00:41:55] I was like, not ghostly toxic. Oh, my goodness.
TESSA: [00:41:59] We love it Princess.
PRINCESS: [00:42:00] Just like, listen, if there is one thing that millennials will get on their feet for, it is a ghostly rendition of a Britney Spears song. I was just like, All right.
TESSA: [00:42:10] Correct.
PRINCESS: [00:42:11] I was like, well, now it's time to party. And like, it was just so well done that it was just like, oh, yeah. Like, and when Sophie walks out to go get her, like, her finger prick to get her powers the way she was, kind of like I was like, first of all, that's Tessa. Second of all, I just like, you know. I appreciate the hustle. It was fun to watch.
TESSA: [00:42:32] God that role though. Honestly, that would be like the role that I would want to play.
PRINCESS: [00:42:37] Oh for sure.
TESSA: [00:42:39] How fucking fun is that role like. It is so fun because you get to be like all innocent at the beginning and then have this turn and then you just get to like live in that campy villain like life. And it's so I'm telling you, being a villain is my favorite. Yeah, it's the most fun you can have. So it's like and I was just like a kids villain on a TV show. I wasn't like a fairy tale villain. That is next level.
PRINCESS: [00:43:07] Only because they didn't let you like butlike soon. If they ever do like a baby hocus pocus, they need someone to be like Sarah Michelle Gellar. Not SMG, Sarah Jessica Parker is character. You would definitely be like a young. Oh, my God. Hocus pocus.
TESSA: [00:43:23] What a freaking compliment. I can't. So I actually thought of some, like, questions from watching this movie because I rewatched it again. So I have some questions for you, princess, that I want you to answer.
PRINCESS: [00:43:36] All right, I'm ready.
TESSA: [00:43:37] So the first would be like with the wish fish. What would be your greatest wish? What would the fish see for you?
PRINCESS: [00:43:44] My greatest wish, honestly, would be for like, for self-confidence, self-esteem, self-confidence. But if I knew that the wish that the wish fish were all like in prison, I would probably wish for them to be free because, like, that is fucked up. I don't endorse slavery of any kind.
TESSA: [00:44:02] Honestly, I feel that it's like if you found out about happens, like how could you just like let them be especially like all the good people? That was one of those things where she's like, This isn't good. And I was like, I agree. I was like, In the good school, I'd be like, This is messed up.
PRINCESS: [00:44:19] This is really fucked up, my guys. So I just that like I was kind of like, you know, if that was, if I knew that those wish fish were like innocent kids who like fail flunked out of school. As someone who has gotten bad grades, I would not let that stand. I just.
TESSA: [00:44:31] I would wish for all the wish fishes to come back alive in the humans. Yeah. And rebel against the school's leader.
PRINCESS: [00:44:39] Yeah. Yeah. And maybe if any of them want to give me a wish for letting them be free, then I'll take it. But I'm not going to be like I'm not going to lead with that. I won't put that.
TESSA: [00:44:51] That's secondary. That's the.Secondary. Because like, oh. Also, by the way, P.S., if you want to give me another one, just like let me know.
PRINCESS: [00:44:58] You know, I'll take it. But no pressure.
TESSA: [00:45:00] I'll be here. But you guys free yourselves first. Okay, next question I have for you. Who would your fairy tale parents be?
PRINCESS: [00:45:08] Oh, okay. Mm hmm.
TESSA: [00:45:12] Because that was, like, so fun to watch. Like, oh, my. My dad's Robin Hood or. Oh, my dad. You know what I mean? I know the best.
PRINCESS: [00:45:20] So if I was a hero, I think that my fairy tale parent would be Belle. If we're doing this, if we're just doing like regular fairy tales and I would say, like the whoever character that Beauty is because I feel like I love my dad. Like the thing that I remember about being like it's about like a girl who loves her dad, trying to protect her dad. And I'm like, that's really why I latched on to that story. If I was a villain, I would really want my mom to be like Ma- if Maleficent and Dr. Facilité had a baby, that's. I want to be that baby. I want to have all the dark magics.
TESSA: [00:46:00] Oh, wow. Amazing. I am obsessed with that.
PRINCESS: [00:46:05] But what about you? Who would be your first of all, you don't want good parents, so who would be your evil?
TESSA: [00:46:11] You know what? I feel like my fairy tale parents would be the Wicked Witch of the West and Glinda.
PRINCESS: [00:46:18] Yes, yes. That is actually completely correct.
TESSA: [00:46:21] Yes, I would be like the ultimate, witch I'd have, like the royal.
PRINCESS: [00:46:25] Baby from wicked.
TESSA: [00:46:26] Yes. Yes, I am the baby of wicked. That is me. Wicked is my parents. So it's like.
PRINCESS: [00:46:34] It's like this. It's like you're how you how I met your mother is wicked.
TESSA: [00:46:38] It's just the story of wicked. I just walk on before it starts. .And this is how my mom's met. So I feel like it would be that because I would want to be a villain so badly. And this sort of leads into my next question would you be in ever and never? So I would want to be a never. I would want to be a villain so bad, so badly. Yeah, but I am too good on the inside, man. I am too nice. I am too nice. My, my heart always. It's always. That's why I need Joe. Yeah, I need someone there because otherwise people will take advantage of me because I am just sweet.
PRINCESS: [00:47:22] You a sweet nugget.
TESSA: [00:47:24] Oh, I mean, but I don't want to be. I want to be a baddie.
PRINCESS: [00:47:30] I know. Eartha Kitt, I want to be evil. But I also agree I have too much anxiety, Catholic guilt and love of Superman to really be truly evil. I would like to think if there was a school for antiheroes, I think I would go to that school.
TESSA: [00:47:48] Yeah amazing. We love a Loophole. Yeah.
PRINCESS: [00:47:54] There is a school for anti-heroes. I will enlist their happily. I'd be like, Excuse me? Yeah, Han solo is my dad. And just be like, I got it.
TESSA: [00:48:03] You'll take his dad. I'll take Ben Solo so you can take the.
PRINCESS: [00:48:07] Very good.
TESSA: [00:48:07] Dad. I'll take the son and we'll rule over space together.
PRINCESS: [00:48:11] Sounds good. It'll be our own house of dragon.
TESSA: [00:48:16] Oh, my God. Oh, my goodness. But yeah, I probably want to be, like, friends with all the nevers, and I definitely want to date them. But I would not be bad enough to be in the school. So going with the villains, like each villain has, like, a special talent that they make into a powerful weapon. So what would your talent be? What would you use to hone into a powerful weapon to take over the world and or your nemesis?
PRINCESS: [00:48:40] Man So many options. I do like the girl wiht the Tattoos Oh, my gosh.
TESSA: [00:48:45] Oh, the tattoo. Girl.
PRINCESS: [00:48:47] Yeah. I feel like because I have so many weapons as tattoos, like technically ready, I'm kind of ready to do that. Like, I totally have like a knife. I have like a spear and shieldAnd like,.
TESSA: [00:48:58] Oh, damn.
PRINCESS: [00:49:00] And also like all these Sailor Moon tattoos I have, like, whatever. Like, if I were to use those that I think I'd be pretty set. I think that's. I'm building my brand.
TESSA: [00:49:09] Oh, see, you already knew. You're like, I'm ready for this. If this happens, I got the tattoos, you know, defeat whoever I need to.
TESSA: [00:49:18] Like I actually have a tattoo of, like, I have a tattoo of Catwoman on my left leg and, like, a tattoo of storm on my right. So it's like, I'm going to be. I'm set.
TESSA: [00:49:28] You are set. Wow. Dang, that is too perfect. Yeah. I feel like my weapon or my talent that I turn into a weapon. This is kind of stupid. But when I was a kid, I always used to like when I would like flirt with boys.
PRINCESS: [00:49:50] When I would flirt.
PRINCESS: [00:49:51] And I'd flirt with boys. So I'd be like, I'm going to tap dance on your face. Because that was like something that I could do. And I thought I was like, so tough. And honestly, yeah, I would use my power like because I can I use I mean I haven't tap danced in a long time, but when I used to do it I was really good.
PRINCESS: [00:50:11] I believe that.
PRINCESS: [00:50:11] I think that would be those shoes. If you put them on, those could be a weapon. So and you know, like when we were doing our Sandman episode, Tiny Dancer was already my serial killer name so that it fit.
PRINCESS: [00:50:23] Dancing on their graves.
PRINCESS: [00:50:24] With my whole villain arc. So I think dance has. To be involved somehow in in my villain journey, black swan some sort of thing that turns me.
PRINCESS: [00:50:37] Or you know because remember in like Snow White how like they make the evil stepmother die by dancing on hot shoes? Maybe that's kind of like, oh, that's your that's what. Those are the kind of shoes that you make when they're put on the feet of your enemies. They dance until they die.
TESSA: [00:50:53] Oh, my God. Beautiful, amazing Princess.
PRINCESS: [00:50:56] We did it.
TESSA: [00:50:56] Obsessed with that. I love that. Insane. Okay. My last question that I have for you using now, knowing your power and how to use it. Who would your fictional nemesis be?
PRINCESS: [00:51:14] Oh, my God.
TESSA: [00:51:15] Like what? What fictional character could you just, like, not stand?
PRINCESS: [00:51:20] If this was me of, like, five years ago, I'd be like Ariel from The Little Mermaid. Fight her. I think if I was going to fight everybody, just for, like, the fun of it, I would love to, like, be enemies with, like, the actual Snow Queen, because she's just so evil. Like, you know.
TESSA: [00:51:38] Dang Princess. You're going right for the top.
PRINCESS: [00:51:40] Yeah, I want top tier. That's the areas in me. Like, that's why. That's why I'm an anti-hero. I want to go fight like the Snow Queen and just be like, Hey, stop, because she's just a badass. She's the coolest. I want to fight, Elsa. I want to fight Elsa. Cause it's like fighting God, right?
TESSA: [00:52:03] Oh, my God, it really is. You're just like, I'm going to defeat Elsa and just become the new ruler of Arundell. So. Yeah. Makes sense. She doesn't really want to rule it anyway. I think she would gladly give it up to you.
PRINCESS: [00:52:17] Yeah. I'd be like, Let it go. Just like, goodbye. Stop it.
TESSA: [00:52:25] Oh, my God. I love that. That's so perfect.
PRINCESS: [00:52:29] What about You?
TESSA: [00:52:33] Who's the goodiest-goody boy? Mm.
PRINCESS: [00:52:37] Captain America.
TESSA: [00:52:41] Yeah. I'm so sorry. I cannot stand him. I can't do it. He would get on my last nerve. I wouldn't be able to handle it. And so many people love Captain, Captain America, they're like, How could you not like Captain America like, I'm sorry. I just can't do it.
TESSA: [00:52:58] Like, I seen Chris Evans and other things.
TESSA: [00:53:01] I think he's better as a villain. Okay. Everyone's always better as a valid. But I don't know. There's something about Captain America that just irks me. I can't do it. I'd be Thanos in this situation. I would just, like, go right after him and.
PRINCESS: [00:53:19] Everyone's villian dad.
TESSA: [00:53:20] Against me. And I'd be like, God damn.
PRINCESS: [00:53:23] Here we go again.
TESSA: [00:53:25] I know. Well, okay, let's do this. But. And I would definitely be Team Iron Man if it was like that versus Iron Man. So I think. I think that's kind of influencing me a little bit. Just that movie just completely made me a captaain america hater. But yeah, I can't stand him. I'm sorry to the lovers.
PRINCESS: [00:53:47] I'm sorry. I can't. Can't relate. I'm Wanda.
TESSA: [00:53:51] Right? I love, like, my favorite MCU characters are Loki and Wanda. So sorry I can't relate. And Iron Man. So not going to love Captain America. You can keep America's ass. I'm not interested.
PRINCESS: [00:54:08] You're like, who needs America's ass when you could be friends with America's go to. But I love those questions. You always bring the best energy.
TESSA: [00:54:16] I just love like, whatever. Whenever we get to dove into anything fantasy related, I just love it because I would always do this when reading books or when watching like movies As a kid, I'd want to like, okay, if I was in this situation, like what I what am I super power be? What would I do? Who would I be friends with? Like I like that's how I like build the world in my head and also why I like loved fanfiction so much because I'm like, Ooh, different possibilities. Let's think about all these different things that could happen. I love worldbuilding. I love all that. So when we get a new world to build in and learn it and think about, and especially when there's magic involved, forget it. I am a goner. And I remember when I was interviewing them, Somen, he said this really like specific thing that I thought was so amazing about the school for good and evil. He's like, he wanted to create a magical school that felt like a madonna concert.
PRINCESS: [00:55:08] Ooh, love that.
TESSA: [00:55:10] He's like, he wanted this, like, high female energy that was powering the school. And it was one of those things where I did feel that, especially with like, you know, the casting, like we've said, it was so good, especially all the female characters are so well casted, it's so good. And they brought like all this energy I love. It's just like the group of, like, the bad girls, the bad kids or whatever. Like, they were so fun. They were so like, I'm telling you, my least favorite character was Mr. Prince boy, I was like, Who is this?
PRINCESS: [00:55:41] Yeah, I mean, Ted Tedros, I was like, he looked like a baby henry Cavill didn't he looked like a Cavill brother that got lost somewhere along the line. But I was just kind of like, you know, God bless. But we're here for the ladies. I don't care about this guy.
TESSA: [00:55:56] I'm like, Sir, step aside.
PRINCESS: [00:55:59] Yeah, all right. I think we can go down to one more thing. Tessa, do you have a one more thing?
TESSA: [00:56:12] I think my one more thing is everybody's got a little bit of good and a little bit of evil inside of us. You know, that's what makes us human. And I think that this movie talks about, like, the balance of that. And like you were saying, like we were saying. Sometimes it's fun to just explore the villain in you and be a little evil, but just never go too far. Know the balance, but still have fun. You know, you have to have both sides of yourself, know both sides of yourself and thrive and live in both sides of yourself.
PRINCESS: [00:56:53] Absolutely. My one more thing is not everything needs a narrator, but if it's Cate Blanchett, we'll let it slide.
TESSA: [00:57:02] But Cate Blanchett can can narrate everything.
PRINCESS: [00:57:05] Yes, it's like usually I'm very anti a narrator, but if it's Cate Blanchett, I'm like, all right. And also, yeah, I love I love all the biodiversity in this movie. Please make sure you cast so many different people as good and evil because good and evil comes in all shapes and sizes.
TESSA: [00:57:21] That's true.
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